Jan 11th, 2012 Dakar Rally Stage 10 Race Info & Discussion

Join in and discuss all the action from Stage 10 of the 2012 Dakar Rally. Robby Gordon was the WINNER of stage 9 & is only down 5m58s in the overall standings. Nasser Al Attiyah did not finish stage 9, so he is out of the rally. Cars begin stage 10 at 7:44am/et (9:44am local). Raceday chat will be available throughout the entire 2012 Dakar Rally. Raceday chat now works on the Ipad & Iphone.

STAGE 10 TRACKING


STAGE 10: Iquique > Arica

Connection 317km | Special Stage 377km | Total 694km


COURSE OVERVIEW

The drivers will be overcome with even more intense sensations early in the morning. It is precisely at the beginning of the special stage that they will be deeply moved by a spectacular view, combining sand and waves, which continues for several kilometres. The theme will remain constant, since the most experienced experts will be able to surf on the dunes which stretch out for around a hundred kilometres. On the other hand, the difficult fesh-fesh area that will have to be tackled at the end of the special stage will bring everyone back to the tough reality of the long-distance rally.




STAGE BY STAGE RESULTS

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Permalink Reply by Bob on January 11, 2012 at 2:12pm

According to the media "The ultimate decision rests with motorsport's governing body, the FIA." rather than the stewards on the ground. My assumption is that the FIA is a big and ponderous governing body who's decisions take a long time to make, so it's possible that Robby will be allowed to race to the end.

Other news : Robby crashes when Peterhansel ignores the sentinel
and won't get out of the way, and looses about 14 mins on the leader.

Permalink Reply by brewski on January 11, 2012 at 2:15pm

remaining positive need to make up 20 min in two stages pretty much

Permalink Reply by Robb Glen on January 11, 2012 at 2:17pm

DAM FRENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Permalink Reply by Gary on January 11, 2012 at 2:29pm

Let me see now.. A French based rally with French officials and a French guy leading in danger of being overtaken. Oh Yes, don't forget that the highest profile guy in the FIA is French. I'm not liking this one bit. This seems to me to be another Paul Tracy Indianapolis 500 fiasco where we don't want outsiders playing in our ballpark. If you all recall PT won the Indy 500 that year but because he was a CART driver in the IRL ballpark they took it away from him on some BS yellow light deal.

Don;t want to be a "Negative Nelly" but this has conspiracy written all over it.

Permalink Reply by will on January 11, 2012 at 2:33pm

OK here are a couple of things to read to try to understand what's going on. First let's start with the original source for the story here-http://dakar.sport.francetv.fr/moteurs/123933-gordon-mis-hors-course
As for a resolution to the conflict, well that may take some time if you believe this report.-
http://www.mdzol.com/mdz/nota/355003-excluyeron-del-dakar-a-robby-g...
Now given so many here are so fond of conspiracy theories, consider that the alledged infraction came to light just last night one might just assume this may have had something to do with it.-
http://www.corsaonline.com.ar/2012/01/11/N-7700-todo-mal-entre-nass...

Permalink Reply by WJM on January 11, 2012 at 2:41pm

If Nasser paid $500K for the ride then he got more than his money's worth.

Permalink Reply by alan4s on January 11, 2012 at 2:36pm

In the Stage 10 report at Dakar.com was this:

It should be noted that the car race officials' committee today published the following press release: “On completion of the 9th stage (Antofagasta-Iquique), following observation of technical non-compliance on vehicle No. 303 (Robby Gordon) (article 1P and 3P of the technical rules), the Car Race Officials' Committee has decided to disqualify No. 303 from the race. The driver has appealed against this decision. During appeals, decisions are placed on hold. As a result, vehicle No. 303 will continue the rally until the outcome of the appeal”.

Can anyone here find the text for articles 1P and 3P of the technical rules?

Permalink Reply by 7gason7 on January 11, 2012 at 2:45pm

Group T1 vehicles must conform to FIA Appendix J, article 285 (2010), with the exception of the
following points.
T1.5 vehicles must conform to FIA Appendix J, article 285 (2011, updated 06/06/2011).
T3 vehicles must conform to FIA Appendix J, article 286 (2011, updated 06/06/2011) with the
exception of the following points.
However, vehicles conforming to Appendix J 285-2009 will be accepted, with the exception of the
following points.
1P1 ENGINE (Art 285.5, Appendix J FIA)
1) Air restrictor for engines over 5.250 cc :
Over 5250 cc engines are free.
They must use at the most an air restrictor of 37.2 mm and deactivate all variable
exhaust/admission systems.
For candidates with other types of engines, an acceptance file must be presented a minimum of 3
months ahead of the closure of entries.
2) Restrictor for petrol engines (art 285.5.1.3.1):
2 valves per cylinder Ø 35
over 2 valves per
cylinder Ø 34

3) Restrictor for supercharged diesel engines (art 285.5.1.3.2):
Factory team or team supported
by a manufacturer
Independants
Turbo Diesel
Engine
Ø 38 Ø 39
1P2 TRANSMISSION
Refer to Art. 285.6 of FIA appendix J (2009) of 15/11/2008 and to Art 285.6 of FIA Appendix J
(2011) of 06/06/2011.
1P3 FUEL TANKS (Art 286.1, FIA Appendix J)
For light production 4x4s, several fuel tanks are allowed and maybe be extended towards the front
under the chassis seat fixing points, but not less than 900 mm behind the front axle.

Definition of the categories and classes: article 9P2 of the supplementary Regulations.
3P1 ADMISSIBLE VEHICLES
Technical details, Group OPEN vehicles:
All 2 or 4 wheel drive vehicles conforming to Score Regulations (2006-2010 Score International Offroad
Racing Rules and Regulations) are admissible, with the exception of classes ½-1600 and 5-
1600, under the following conditions: Respect of articles Appendix J – FIA 285.7 and 285.3.
3P2 CONCEPTION OF THE ROLL CAGE
The roll cage must conform to score Regulations (see article CR33) or Article 283/8 Appendix J –
FIA.
3P3 ROLL CAGE DIMENSIONS
The dimensions of the tubes must conform with score Regulations (see article CR33) and more
precisely respect the following dimensions of the following table:

3P4 WEIGHT
Group OP.1: For 2-wheel drive, the minimum weight is 1.400 Kg
Group OP.2: The minimum weight is 2.800 Kg
Or respect of art. 285.3, appendix J FIA
3P5 TYRE SIZE
Tyres must respect the following sizes:
950 mm max, for 2-wheel drive Group OP.1 vehicles and for Group OP.2 vehicles.
840 mm max, for 4-wheel drive Group OP.1 vehicles, on 15 inch rims.
Or respect of article 285.8, appendix J FIA and Art. 10P of the specific Regulations.
3P6 VEHICLE WIDTH
Group OP.1: For 4-wheel drive, the max width is 2,20 metres.
For 2-wheel drive, the max width is 2,40 metres.
Group OP.2: The max width is 2,20 metres.
3P7 RESTRICTOR
Group OP.1 and OP.2 vehicles must conform to Article 1P1 of the current technical Regulations (2
wheel drive only), as well as with Appendix J FIA, Article 285.4.1.1.1 and Article 285.4.1.1.2.
3P8 INFLATION/DEFLATION
Automatic inflation/deflation will be allowed for Group OP.2 vehicles if it exists as standard and
providing the system has not been modified in any way.
Automatic inflation/deflation systems are forbidden for vehicles in Group OP.1 4x4 even if fitted as
standard (appendix J FIA, article 285.8).
3P9 MISCELLANEOUS SAFETY EQUIPMENT
Vehicles must conform to appendix J FIA, Article 283, articles 7, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19.
3P10 FUEL TANKS
Fuel tanks must conform either to article CR21 of the score Regulations or with Appendix J FIA,
Article 293, article 14.
3P11 FUEL
Fuel used must conform with Appendix FIA, Article 282, article 9 and the specific Regulations of the
event, article 31P6.
ART

Permalink Reply by will on January 11, 2012 at 2:56pm

Today's word of the day is; bricolage which apparently is messing with stuff covered under article 285.5.1.3.1.
http://www.liberation.fr/depeches/01012382750-dakar-robby-gordon-mi...

Permalink Reply by alan4s on January 11, 2012 at 3:03pm

Translated:

Arica (Chile) (AFP) - American Robby Gordon was disqualified Wednesday in Arica (northern Chile), the 33rd Dakar rally by the College of Commissioners, for non-compliance technical engine of its Hummer N .303, a statement of the commissioners.

The American won the ninth stage between Antofagasta and Iquique Tuesday and is in second position in overall ranking, 5 min and 58 sec's French driver Stéphane Peterhansel (Mini).

Robby Gordon has decided to appeal this decision and can continue the race, his approach suspending the sanction.

This is the French Federation of motorsport (FFSA), within two months, which will make the final decision itself again subject to appeal by the competitor before the FIA ​​(International Automobile Federation ).

Remains in the state and given the legal uncertainties ahead, the cars of 33 overall Dakar will remain provisional, including the arrival in Lima, unless Gordon abandons the meantime, say the organizers.

This exclusion, without effect for the time comes after the abandonment, the day in Iquique and due to rolling blackouts, Nasser Al-Attiyah, winner of the previous driver of the second Hummer.

According to information gathered at the camp is at scrutineering on Tuesday night that the Commissioners found that Robby Gordon had changed the air intake system of the engine.

"We have mandated the installation of a flange + + at the entrance of the air duct, limiting its ability to reduce absorption performance in the air / fuel mixture," said race director David Castera AFP.

However, it appeared that the American has "bypassed" by building this device, downstream of the system, another entry of air that could actually improve the performance of his engine.

He swears that this tinkering has no impact on the speed of his Hummer and that's why he called.

Permalink Reply by Bob on January 11, 2012 at 2:53pm

It's still not clear what the engine issue is. When this was first reported it seemed to have something to do with the intake manifold....some kind of restrictor-plate issue. But articles keep referring to "the engine ventilation system"....whatever the heck that is.

Permalink Reply by Gary on January 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

I think the issue is that RG needs to run a restrictor intake opening on the V-8 to limit power. The size is mandated by the rules. Since the air intake is located away from the engine to keep water and dirt out some sort of modification was made between the engine and the restrictor. Could be for any number of reasons. RG says it does not effect engine performance. The rally scrutineers say it does. That is the issue from what I can tell.

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